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Okay, I don't know exactly how I feel about this, but I do know that women will, as women always have, be forced to look out for their own (and society's) best interest in the end.

I know many of you on my friend's list are adamantly opposed to abortion and please be assured that even for me, this feels like crossing a line.

However, many of you on my friends list are vehement supporters of a woman's right to choose, and as I tend to come down more on this side of the argument... I have decided to post this link.

Please be aware that this post does not advocate or endorse the procedure described.

Enough with the disclaimers:

Found by misia (I am reposting here what she wrote for the benefit of those not on her f-list) No copyright infringment or general annoyance intended to her:

Via BoingBoing: a blogger has very courageously and helpfully posted a full and detailed set of directions for performing mechanical (as opposed to pharmaceutical or herbal) abortion.

Prior to Roe v. Wade, women in some places formed underground networks to provide this service to other women. It is possible -- although please note that I am not advocating it or recommending it, since it is illegal to practice medicine without a license and since it is not impossible for there to be complications to such a procedure -- for laypeople to safely and adequately perform procedures to terminate unwanted or unsafe early pregnancies.

It is my considered opinion that keeping this information available is very important. Aborting pregnancies is nothing new. It has been with us since the dawn of recorded medical history. You literally will not find a pre-modern gynecological text that does not in one way or another mention it; many have instructions for various methods of various effectiveness. The techniques described in this blog post, however, are known to be dramatically more uniformly effective, quicker, and less risky to the health of the woman undergoing the abortion than many other methods. Because of this, they are extremely valuable.

In a social and political climate in which legal access to medically-performed, above-board abortion is increasingly threatened in the USA, it is important that this information be disseminated and protected. One of the best ways to do that is to keep your own copy or copies.

I encourage you to click here, and save a copy. I also encourage you to go back to the blog in question (http://mollysavestheday.blogspot.com/), read the followup, and as this woman posts further practical information on abortion, save copies of that, too. PDFs, hard copies, copies on your hard drive, etc.

Women have always needed, at times, to be able to end pregnancies. Women will always need, at times, to be able to end pregnancies. The question is not, and has never been, whether some women would desire to end their pregnancies or in fact whether some women would or will do so. They have and do and will. It's a simple forthright historical fact, amply documented and amply witnessed by every historical measure you can name. No amount of waving laws or religions around has ever changed this. It has only made it relatively more or less difficult for women to do it or to do it safely.

The question is whether doing so will be made so difficult that women are forced to either bear babies against their wishes (and at times against their own medical self-interest) or take unacceptably high risks of injury and/or death to avoid doing so.

The information this woman is sharing is information that can help reduce the risk of these outcomes. If you share my opinion that this is information that is worth having, worth keeping, worth sharing, and most of all, worth preserving in case you ever need it, I encourage you to make PHYSICAL copies and salt them away somewhere safe. The Internet is great for disseminating information, but servers can be shut down; several hundred thousand file cabinets, safety deposit boxes, personal libraries, et cetera are a lot harder to remove from the picture even if things really go sour for reproductive rights legally speaking.



Comments enabled as long as people play nice...

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houses7177
Mar. 1st, 2006 03:10 pm (UTC)
Fascinating. And I have to admit to being worried too. I take it you've been following the case in South Dakota? Frightening.
gilathief
Mar. 1st, 2006 03:18 pm (UTC)
Yes indeed and fetal rights are being extended everyday...
punke
Mar. 1st, 2006 03:18 pm (UTC)
I still find it repugnant that more health plans cover drugs like Cialis and other 'male enhancer' than cover birth control. I find it hard to believe that women who have abortions did it on their own; it takes two to tango, after all. Brazil has more abortions every year than the US, and they are illegal in Brazil.

Make birth control more accesible AND teaching people how to use it and why it's effective is something that needs to happen, and soon. Men need to realize that while wearing a condom can be a pain, women taking dose and after dose of hormones isn't pleasant either.

A surgical abortion is still the safest way to end a pregnancy; herbal remedies can fail or cause irreperable harm to the fetus that actually makes it to full-term if the herbs don't work. Alot of abortificants are dangerous, as well.

Look up Vitamin C for some interesting angles on the mega-dosing that went on in the 70's. It's safer than many other ways and seems to have a fairly decent track record.

That being said, women fought for our sexual rights and identities for years; forethought (when possible) is always better. Take responsiblity and care for your body, and fight for the right to have abortions legal if all else has failed. :)
gilathief
Mar. 1st, 2006 03:19 pm (UTC)
Agreed.
indigochild76
Mar. 1st, 2006 06:23 pm (UTC)
I definitely have mixed feelings about this. Both the article and the subject on which it refers.

Abortion has always been an iffy thing for me. Personally, I know I could never go through with one. I'd rather carry my baby to full term and give it up for adoption. Part of me feels this way because my Mom was adopted and if she'd been aborted then I wouldn't exist. Another part of me feels this way because I don't think I could handle the trauma of ending a potential life. And another part of me is VERY against partial birth abortions... though that's taking the abortion issue to its extreme.

Anyway, the scientist in me questions as to whether or not the unborn fetus has a soul and whether or not abortion is murder. At this stage in my ponderings, I'd have to say that I really don't know nor do I ever believe I will really know.

At this point, I'd have to say that I'm of the belief that abortion should be legal and women should have the right to choose (excluding partial birth abortions... to me, that's just sick... my Dad was a third term birth and obviously he made it so the idea of that just makes me ill). I do NOT think that the choice should be made lightly, however. And I do feel that if it's possible, based on circumstances, that it would be better for the woman to carry the baby and give it up. If circumstances are such that it compromises the mother's health or will endanger the baby, I can understand the want to go through with an abortion and such. As a scientist, I feel that abortions shouldn't be totally banned because those fetuses are useful in research... though I think that the whole thing should be regulated to an extent.

Oh my... that was wordy and somewhat conflicting now wasn't it. But hopefully you get my meaning.

Anyway, now that I've fully stated my viewpoints (and hopefully haven't upset anyone as I so do not mean to be if I am), these are my thoughts on that article...

I find it scary that it's come to that. Abortions might be something that an ordinary person can do if given the right instruments, but I personally feel it should NOT be attempted. And I'm saying this as a scientist. The risk of infection is HUGE and you'd be surprised at how a tiny little staph infection can grow into something enormous, place the body in shock and then kill it. It doesn't take much. It's good to be aware that the procedure in and of itself is simple, but it frightens me that people are going to such lengths and feel the need to go to such lengths as to telling people how to perform one on their own.

Like I said, I have mixed feelings about this and I don't know if I'll ever fully be able to resolve them.

Interesting topic and article... thanks for sharing.

*hugs you*
gilathief
Mar. 1st, 2006 06:57 pm (UTC)
I agree, very risky and sad to think that some people might have to go to such an extreme ever. But that is why I support the legality of abortion. I don't support abortion and I don't know anyone who does... merely the right not to have to do it this way...
indigochild76
Mar. 1st, 2006 07:28 pm (UTC)
It is both sad and scary.

See the scientist in me feels that abortion, with the exception of partial birth abortion, should be legal. As long as the proper precautions are taken and all options are considered, I see nothing wrong with it.

I suppose, for me, it's a personal thing not being able to go through an abortion myself. But just because I feel that way I do not feel that it justifies that every other woman should feel the same. Also, I have no idea as to whether you can deem an unborn fetus of either the first or second trimester an intelligent lifeform with a soul. My views on religion and religious beliefs are very scientifically based using both facts and logic to back my thoughts and viewpoints. Therefore, because I take a more apathetic view on that subject, I'm inclined to say that it isn't and that an abortion is not murder.

I do hope, though I personally do not feel it would ever affect me, that abortion is never made illegal. I think that too many of them would occur illegally putting way too many women, and babies, at risk.

Does that make any sense???

*hugs you*
gilathief
Mar. 1st, 2006 08:25 pm (UTC)
*hugs back*

Understood completely and I agree intellectually the debate is simpler than when emotions are factored in.

I agree, I doubt I will ever be affected by this issue, but in the interest of women everywhere who don't have the luxuries I do, it is important to note what overturning Roe VS Wade could mean adn what even smaller laws infirnging on a woman's right to choose might mean.
empressvesica
Mar. 1st, 2006 08:03 pm (UTC)
Not exactly sure where I am in this whole debate either...except alarmed at the goings-on in SD. Thanks for posting!
gilathief
Mar. 1st, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
I think ultimately it doesn't matter where you come down on the issue. This link is noteworthy for the simple fact that the right is so precious to most of us (women I mean) that taking any means necessary is not out of the question for many people...
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